The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

David Crompton Also—if you if you never took a run at it back in 2010 the Edge’s annual question was a fantastic collection! 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen This one ‘The Rise of Collaborative Consumption’ touches on it……

But it was another one I’m thinking of that really broke my brain. I’ll try to find it. 4 weeks ago

David Crompton @JP I think it’s time to hit that Lanier piece — BTW I recommend watching it or listening to it first as it really is quite conversational and you get some meaning from the way he says things. Anyway–he jumps around a number of ideas but I think anyone intersted in the conversation we’ve been having here would find it intersting and enriching. 4 weeks ago

Jason Paul @GreTcHen send a link if you remember what it was! I used to be a free everything believer and on a certain conceptual level, utopian world and all that I’m still there. But in the here and now Rdio, netflix and all that kinda stuff is making a lot of sense to me. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen @JP I think it’s possible, and I believe it’s a good thing (although I heard some interesting arguments for “free everything” over on TED a couple months back…really challenged my thinking so hard, I couldn’t absorb it fully, and can’t recall the reasoning off the top of my head) 4 weeks ago

Jason Paul @Dave Crompton I finally got to reading that Quora thread. I have to admit that I’m pretty careful what I listen to on Rdio. That heavy rotation on Rdio is so sensative I fear one listen of Adele and she’ll show up instantly and won’t leave for months (and I don’t dislike Adele, but I really do subconsciously avoid it).

@GreTcHen i regret I never was hip to Lala. I can’t tell if you agree with me that streaming music/media will stop piracy or if you’re skeptical. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen @JP: to your point about MP3s. During cd trading days at Lala, it was a process among the membership to educate each other that “rip & ship” — receive a cd, rip it, then ship it back out to get another one — was illegal, wrong. Same idea as MP3s, because both are merely a license to play the contents. If you don’t hold title to the media (plastic disc, a file), you are not entitled to play the music. And, you definitely do not own it.

This is why the idea that streaming music could help stop piracy is interesting. The concept of pay-for-play is much clearer for the consumer. 4 weeks ago

Jason Paul Here’s some more interesting reading for the day:

Should Facebook, Google or Amazon Own All of Your Data?…

How Facebook Mobile Will Evolve With HTML5…

On the later article I tip my hat to Facebook for sticking with the world wide web as opposed to creating yet another app ecosystem. I think this ties into the net neutrality debate. We all want the the web to be in one place but the web could fragment for very practical reasons. @Nohbdy great counterpoint with that article on how over regulation is just as bad.

To the point of owning your data (the first link I posted) I think it’s really a crucial thing, which is why I’m totally into WordPress and now Diaspora.

To circle back, a reason that I love Rdio’s core service is because it’s giving me unlimited access to media that I know I don’t own. (This I believe is the inherent deception in purchasing mp3s…intellectual property you could never hope to own). I believe their API may be open enough to allow a develper to build an application that could pull your Rdio user data out in a logical/decipherable way (as opposed to a CSV or something). 4 weeks ago

Nohbdy And here’s where over regulation could lead us:;_id=234015&a…

Of course these aren’t the type of regulations that we’re talking about here but this is one of the things that is being used as a scare tactic in regards to the FCC’s regulations.

@LU: That is a central part of the debate. The current ruling body for the internet, The FCC, has no say over wireless phone services, which is becoming a bigger peice of the pie everyday. Some argue that since this is the case that the FCC has no business near internet services at all. Some argue that the same rules that they are trying to apply to “wired” internet should also apply to Wireless. This is meeting opposition from the wireless providers because more people oare online all the time and streaming downloads take up so much more of their bandwidth, this being one of the leading causes behind AT&T;’s infamous dropped calls. There are simply too many people on their network and it can’t handle it. On the wireless issue I will admit I am on the fence; I see the need for the protections offered to the wired communities, but the resources are already so strained that they may not be enforceable. By the way the “Wired” ISP companies are pulling from how the wireless has operated almost from the beginning to structure the plans that they are proposing. 4 weeks ago

4 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.


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