The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

Lacey Underall I guess my thing with network neutrality is that one way or another someone will profit off of popular sites. We don’t have neutrality now, and we’ll never have it.

I think it’s kind of weird that so many people have no problem paying $5 for an App that really does nothing. I mean *some* apps are very cleverly designed to use less bandwidth and cache sites… but a lot of them are just glorified RSS readers that you’re getting charged for. So under the illusion you are getting an “app” you are really being charged for content that used to be free and could easily be provided for free.

And people are trying to tie down the apps as well. We all know Apple likes to keep things in the family and would love to have say, ESPN only available at the iTunes store.

And now you have hardware devices like TV’s that connect to Netflix but not Amazon. Plus Amazon has its own forked Android OS to better serve themselves. So your OS and your hardware is telling you where you can go. It seems to me that is a pretty much the same if not worse than your ISP doing the same. 4 weeks ago

Nohbdy I think the people involved in the debate are even having trouble getting a handle on it. You’ve got people saying it’s a conspiricy between Obama, Google and the special interest groups, but Google is saying this isn’t the answer we should instead invest in building a better infrastructure, and Free Press suing the government because the regulations aren’t enough. It really comes down to one side trying to protect the consumer which unfortunately will make operating a business harder and the other side trying to assure businesses are protected which means clamping down on consumer use. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/23/senate-must-stop-obama-internet-takeo… http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20112042-264/google-to-government-let-us-buil… http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/US-sued-over-new-Internet… 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen @Nohbdy, yes, probably should have said time for people to get behind it, push to preserve and extend as appropriate, myself included. Checking out the various sources cited, such as Savetheinternet. And looking up my senator and congressman’s phone numbers…man, it’s hard to get a handle on all of this, especially given the leap in richness this discussion alone has taken in the last week. WIP. 4 weeks ago

Nohbdy @Gretchen: There is already Big government involved in Internet regulation. The problem is that the people pushing for this have enough money to make themselves hard to ignore and hard to deny. Though the FCC seems to be resisting for the most part (in fact they just upheld some of the regs in question just recently) they are being worn down by external pressures. http://www.decodedscience.com/fcc-open-internet-rules-regulating-the-web/3354 http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/Net-Neutrality-Measures-Give-FCC-a-New-Set-… 4 weeks ago

David Crompton @Rob Treynor It’s not that I don’t see the difference–I do; It’s different and we clearly care [to greater and lesser degrees] that it’s different. My interest was simply *why* we care on a human level. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen The electric company does charge based on usage, but it’s split between “core” customers (residential — the public) and “non-core” customers (commercial). Non-core subsidizes the utilities’ operations, to provide fixed — affordable — rates to core customers. If core customers had to pay the full cost of producing electricity, a lot of people would have to forgo having lights on at night. Or having a fridge. 4 weeks ago

Lacey Underall Rhett C– The only reason I’m against net neutrality is because the ISPs are dishonoring the spirit of the subsidies. And for that reason I’ve donated to Save the Internet. If they took away the subsidies and favorable regulation, I wouldn’t have much of a beef.

And no, I don’t have problems with data limits on my phone. I wish there were way more data limits. I don’t use my phone that much. I would prefer not to subsidize people who are streaming Youtube videos when all I want is some sports scores or the weather. I also wouldn’t care that much if the electric company charged me more for how I use my kilowatts. They already charge me for when I use them. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen Time for some big government to step in, IMO. But, I’m out of step with fashion. Oh well. 4 weeks ago

3 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.

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