The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

People got so paranoid about sharing their SSN’s that they really aren’t that useful anymore. If I want to do some online banking, they don’t ask me for my SSN. They don’t even ask me for my credit card number. Just for my ID and my password.

And if that login turns into a “facebook connect” thing because the bank decides it is lazy and would rather have facebook manage users and passwords…. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen I know you guys aren’t trying to be contrarian, and I’m trying hard not to be alarmist. Just cautious, and think through the implications. There’s been way too much throwing of caution to the wind, as a society lately. It’s gotten us all — by our collective behavior — into some real bad trouble. So I am gunshy about everything big right now.

I have a gut reaction that this is not so great for individuals, just as when I was in an elevator shared with Quicken Loans employees in 2001, bragging about how they were stuffing mortgages down peoples’ throats, I thought “what? what is going on here? these are 25 year olds, handing out mortgages over the phone? what?” 4 weeks ago

tod nelson On a happier note, Domino Records just released an App on iTunes. You’ll be able to stream music from their catalog. I haven’t seen another label do this yet. 4 weeks ago

tod nelson @Gretchen–I don’t see what data FB is collecting that can possible be used to harm me in any way. They don’t have my credit card #; they don’t have my SS #. 4 weeks ago

tod nelson I don’t actually think FB is stalking you. You have to actively click a “Like” button on another site for FB to actually know you were active on that site. And anyone who clicks a “Like” button anywhere online and doesn’t think it’s being noted by FB is….delusional? And you still have to “opt in” to the Timeline. You have to tell the sites that are participating in frictionless sharing to actually do that for you.

The Frictionless Sharing article states: “…there is good reason for people to be worried about what Facebook will do with all of this data.” Again, this keeps getting mentioned, but I have to ask: Why? As my Grandpa Jack used to say, what’s the worst case scenario here?

Edit: @Nohbdy: agreed.

I’m not trying to be contrarian at all. My mind is open, but I haven’t been convinced what is actually scary about this. 4 weeks ago

Nohbdy From what I can tell about the frictionless sharing on FB, you’re still in control of how the info is shared. Its not going to broadcast to the world that you visited some site that you don’t want anyone to know about unless you give it permission to. Personally I’ve found the settings to control what personal info I keep of FB to be quite simple and easy to set up. I can even set it to only be viewable by myself and no one else. If you can’t be bothered to properly set up your account then you shouldn’t complain and blame it on someone else.

Edit: this includes the latest set of controls, where you can limit posts and sharing to certain groups. I’ve heard complaints about those, but I see no problem with them. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen @tod, it’s not so much right now I worry about, so much as down the line, where this is all leading. This invasiveness is on a scale unheard of in human history, yet devoutely pursued by many, especially in recent history. Sometimes it’s good: yes, I want to use the internet to connect with people & information, knowledge, to have things brought to my attention that I’m interested in, to do things easily and quickly, to have them done for me, and a pile of dreams of the future I haven’t dreamt yet. These all rely on knowing something about me.

The problem is, I know how huge business works. It doesn’t care about the interests of humans. And unless humans put the brakes on, and say “hey, you can have my info, but *I* will say what it can and cannot be used for”…well, maybe it’s time to break out 1984 if you haven’t read it in a while.

4 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.


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