The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

As a developer who has gotten a bit of hand-on time with their OpenAuth functionality, I have a positive impression of it. Facebook is using OpenAuth in part to provide access to Facebook’s Graph API which developers use to integrate Facebook with their applications. A great deal of the API usage consists of requests for information rather than reporting something that the user does. When the API is used to create a wall post or something, then yes, we could say that Facebook is collecting some new data. However, we should also recognize that the user has authorized the app and usually posts in response to some action the user initiated. I would speculate that Facebook isn’t using this as a new avenue for data collection, more than they want to make Facebook more engaging which indirectly leads to more new data. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen boy, you sound like somebody I know. and geez LU, don’t you like hanging out with us? could have fooled me.

eh, I’ve been socializing online since 300 baud / 30 char width. I dunno. There’s always a corner for everyone online. My guess is like real life, you’ll have to choose to live simply to avoid getting caught up in the bigger net. Maybe someone will resurrect Usenet! Is that still around somewhere? I wonder…. 4 weeks ago

Lacey Underall yeah, don’t mind me. I’m kind of a nut about it. I should add that I only grudgingly have a google and account for my android phone. I don’t use google desktop, google +, or gmail. So it’s not just facebook-related.

It’s not just that I’m paranoid about security risks or whatever. I just don’t like the whole direction of the internet. See, I like internet technology because it was a way for me NOT to have interact with people. Like, I don’t need to go to the mall, I can buy all my junk at Amazon in my house. I don’t need to ask people questions, I can look stuff up on Wikipedia. I like the cold, impersonal convenience of the web. It made it so I didn’t have to rely on other people or personal interaction.

If you think about it, the web used to be the bastion of uber-geeks who I feel had similar sentiments as myself. Now the people who use the web most are like the popular, social people so they can tweet like every 30 seconds and take pics and put them on facebook feeds and count up all their friends and whatnot.

And I think the geeks will be the ones who remove themselves from the web and– I don’t know– run around in the woods LARPing or whatever. The best way to keep to yourself and be antisocial now is to get OFF the web. Kind of weird. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen Of course, once one links Rdio and FB together, no doubt FB starts to correlate all those music preferences with other info. My advice? Do what I do. Listen to EVERYTHING. Then the data will be one big unfocused goober they won’t be able to make any sense out of.

Oh wait, I just thought of something. If we’re streaming music and not buying it anymore (hello Tod Nelson), what’s the point of looking at what we listen to? 4 weeks ago

Rhett C They definitely deserve some heat in that respect. Facebook seems to err on the side of over-sharing, and it’s part of their philosophy. It’s what I flocked towards Google+ to get away from. However, after the honeymoon, Google+ really dried up and I think that is partly due to people sharing to very small audiences. Since then, I reluctantly gave some credit to Facebook’s philosophy. I’m not saying that your frustrations are invalid, they certainly are.

These social sites are playing a balancing game. As mentioned by someone else below, Facebook took several cues from Google+, and I think they have a gotten closer to sharing filters that make sense and are practical.

The compulsory sharing is no problem, for me. The one that’s burned me the most in the past is getting tagged in a pic or something similar, by a friend who has a different idea of discretion compared to me. 4 weeks ago

3 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.

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