The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

Lacey Underall @rhett c– There’s no link in that page. It just says “Your subscription has been cancelled. It will expire on ” and no date. And it will say that whether I’m logged in or not. And I can still log in. The subscription page that Spotify keeps sending me to (same url without “/cancel”) has a bunch of links but none that allow me to cancel.

I assume you could go to that page and cancel a premium or unlimited account, which would default you to free Spotify. But I want out entirely, and there appears to be no way to do it.

And the difference between Rdio and Spotify/Facebook to me is that I’m only sharing info with Rdio that is relevant. Music and billing info. mainly. Of course who knows what they may be collecting on the sly and if they are, I’ll be similarly angry.

The thing with Facebook is that it is becoming a de facto Open Id/Account password manager type thing. And I didn’t ask them to do that, I don’t want them to do that, and I’d like to think I have a choice. Especially since Facebook’s profit motive to their clients is quite visibly to make as much demographic/preference data as possible, whereas someone who sells me a password/account manager has an incentive to make it secure. It’s that whole client vs product thing, as someone already mentioned. 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen ooh ooh me me Rhett! ok I haven’t read either, but I’m gonna jump in.

I know Rdio uses my data in ways that just about every other service does. Where FB makes me uneasy is the way privacy settings have been hard to find, keep shifting, and seem to spontaneously and unpredictably get reset to “wide open” every time I turn around. I have reset my privacy settings 3-4 times (I’m losing count) since joining. I don’t like that. In the same time period at Rdio, I’ve never changed anything since the day I joined except my expired credit card number. And I check every once in a while to make sure I don’t have to. FB makes me suspicious of what they are up to. That they are trying to deliberately subvert my wishes beyond what I signed up for.

Also. FB by design continuously tries to get me to reveal more things about myself. It’s what FB was created to do: ask, store, ask, store, ask, store, and behind the scenes correlate and share all that with whomever. Rdio never ever asks me anything, unless you want to count adding music to my collection or syncing things up. 4 weeks ago

Rhett C login and go here https://www.spotify.com/us/account/subscription/cancel/

scroll down to find the link to exit survey

@grEtchHeN lol 4 weeks ago

GrEtcHen I think you have to join FB and link it to your Spotify account before you can delete it.

jk. 4 weeks ago

Rhett C Are we saying that we are upset by the ways Facebook collects and uses our data, but we are ok with the way Rdio collects and uses our data? Both services are something we’ve opted in to, one of them is something we pay for. Do you know which one offers you more control in the way your information is used?

Take some time and read http://www.rdio.com/#/legal/privacypolicy/ and http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/

After you have read both indicate which unique aspects are the one you find most troublesome.

Regarding Facebook’s open source contributions. Personally I think Thrift is an excellent open-source contribution. I’m not sure what sort of ulterior motive Thrift serves on Facebook’s behalf, but I’m one of the little guys who finds it very valuable. 4 weeks ago

Lacey Underall Okay, now I’m super fucking pissed. I’m trying to delete my Spotify account, but there appears to be no way to do this. The help section says you can go to your account page and do it, but I see no option. 4 weeks ago

Jason Paul Can I just take a minute to express my pleasure that Redd Foxx has finally left my heavy rotation images. I announced this on Facebook to deaf ears. But I think some of you can really appreciate this. Replacing his ugly mugg is the lovely Tammi Terrel in that bottom right corner. That sure took long enough. I may not be participating in Rdio games like that as I believe I have suffered the consequences. 4 weeks ago

3 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.

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