The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

I do agree that Facebook may be innovating. But I don’t believe it’s for any benevelent purpose. It’s their rules and little guys are at their mercy (I have the same issues with the Apple Appstore). I think this topic may be too big for this thread. Back to the music! 4 weeks ago

Jason Paul You now must have a Facebook acct to sign up for Spotify:… This is another opportunity in a series of great opportunities for Rdio to position itself as THE sane alternative to Spotify. 4 weeks ago

Rhett C Large social sites and niche community sites do not have to struggle against each other for survival. The internet is teeming with vibrant niche communites.

Large social sites are not developed to kill niche communities. Why is it so common to attribute users’ behavior to the sites that they use? Rdio, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are not responsible for the way we use their sites or the Internet in general. Pardon the liberal use of the expression, but that is like putting the cart before the horse. We stick with the sites that provide the experiences we find satisfying. I suspect that most of the throngs of users having superficial conversations on Facebook are not going to engage in any deep exploration of their personal interests on a different site if Facebook suddenly vanished. Facebook provides an environment that is conducive to the interaction that millions of users find (to varying extents) valuable.

Just like Facebook, Amazon, and Google were forced to to innovate their systems when they outgrew their technology, we should not expect that any particular ad model to scale in step with their operating costs.

Also, these titans have a history of sharing many of their innovations with the rest of the development community. The “little guys” definitely benefit from the millions of dollars theses companies spend on innovation.

@Gretchen: if it’s any relief, the Rdio app (currently) can 1) post status messages, notes, photos, and videos on your behalf 2) Add app activity to your timeline 3) Access any the above at any time Since these permissions clearly facilitate the functionality of the Rdio ticker, they seem appropriate. Also, any can presumably access your basic information, and while this does contain a list of friends, it does not directly contain information about them. Like you however, I was a little nervous about what the app was doing in my stead before I learned about the new features. The FB popups were quite helpful, however, in delivering “the skinny”.

@JP – regarding an interest in ads: IMO, there is nothing wrong with considering or even clicking on any particular online ad. 5 weeks ago

Jason Paul I think this story on Paid content about REM and the early social web really enhances the coversation we’re having about niche social networks. I hope Rdio goes mainstream so it lasts, but otherwise I think I like that it’s small and our voices actually get heard. Social media went mainstream with Facebook and kind of diluted everything. Something we had before was lost. 5 weeks ago

Jason Paul I have to appreciate that TechCrunch not-so-subtly seems to be in the legitimizing Rdio camp… 5 weeks ago

David Crompton I don’t find myself disagreeing about any of these points. @Tod I have no problem believing you found Rdio was best of the bunch in your research–when it comes down to it I have very few complaints about the experience. In terms of social functionality I’m really just looking for a few things; not a whole social makeover. I’ll skip the details for the here and now as there are some pretty in-depth discussions of that stuff elsewhere in the lists.

I love Rdio and I want it to stay intact and thrive–at this moment FB may be the thing that can provide the tipping point [in terms of users] to make that possible. I really have been an evangalist for Rdio this past year and I continue to do so, so long as I believe in it. I’ll likely do this through FB [if it ever works for me ;>)] and I’ll do it on, Diaspora, G+ and Twitter with whatever tools are provided and work for me. 5 weeks ago

4 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.


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