The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations

Biker Chick I agree with the “force feeding” feeling of FB. I wonder is there going to be a google plus option? 5 weeks ago

GrEtcHen @Rhett, I am being paranoid based on the privacy settings in FB. I understand FB apps (like “Music”) your friends use — which you don’t have installed — can access your FB information and use it. And vice versa. Since this feed is pretty useless unless I add Rdio people to my friends on FB, it forces me to start building a network both Rdio and FB can use AMONG people, not just my own info. And it’s the usual crap with FB — I found all my settings were turned on after FB’s latest overhaul, by default. So, even without me logging in, I assume they’ve gone and accessed info about everyone I’m friends with on FB.

To answer your q: the publicly available info on Rdio is not personal info. Info on FB is: Basic Information, Education History, Hometown, Likes, Music, TV, Movies, Books, Quotes, Current City and Work History

@Nohbdy — I don’t like that there’s becoming little choice to use FB for features such as a listen feed. Providers I DO pay — such as Rdio, Spotify — are not developing these features and providing them to paying customers. They are leaning on FB instead. That sucks! 5 weeks ago

GrEtcHen Also, you cannot queue up tracks from FB. It’s all “on the spot” listening. 5 weeks ago

GrEtcHen Nohbdy, I understand the aim is to provide an integrated feed, showing you music your friends are listening to, regardless of the service they use. So, I also see Maudeman’s Spotify listens.

Listening to them seems to be another matter. When I click on one of them, FB prompts me to install the Spotify player. Stupid, because I already have Spotify installed. However, if I open Spotify, this play request immediately starts playing, as if FB queued it up. That’s nicely seamless.

Obviously, what I’d prefer to happen is if I have Rdio open, and Maudeman’s Spotify listen is available in Rdio’s catalog, it should start playing in Rdio. Otherwise, I have to have an account with every streaming service my friends have, and have them all open if I want to sample what everyone is listening to. That’s not a very helpful way to explore music.

However, if most of my FB friends are listening via Rdio, it does provide a nice way to see what everyone is listening to at the same time — across all music providers — instead of jumping around to each person’s listens (either on Rdio or Last.fm). FB’s feed is like the Lala feed, as I’ve mentioned. 5 weeks ago

Rhett C Maybe I’m missing context, but what info would Facebook garner from our follows & followers that they don’t already have access to? Nothing posted on Rdio is ever private. 5 weeks ago

Nohbdy @Gretchen in regards to Pro #3: Isn’t that also supposed to let other people that don’t have rdio but say have mog be able to listen to the songs that are posted through their service or was that a later feature they were talking about?

Side note: I personally don’t have this aversion to facebook that everyone else seems to. I don’t care who it is, I’m gonna use the best product available. Do I care that they may be using my info to make money? No, its a free service and I fully expect that they would use my use of said free service as they see fit. It’s what you agreed to when you signed up. Spotfy and lastFM have advertisement for their free accounts but they are completely random from my understanding facebook uses only your info to give you more targeted ads (ya’know something you might actually be interested in…..). I don’t have a problem with that. Anyway this is just my 2 cents. 5 weeks ago

Qat Oh man … I got all teary-eyed looking at that image. 5 weeks ago

GrEtcHen For comparison, this is what the feed looked like on Lala: http://tinyurl.com/3zrhov3 5 weeks ago

GrEtcHen Pros: 1. It’s nice to see a feed with “listens” in it again. Very much like Lala, with the little arrow buttons to play a tune, and more than 4 tracks collapsed/expandable. 2. The arrow turns into a pause button, nice touch. 3. Clicking play is pretty instantaneous, seamless. You can comment on someone else’s listens. And send them to someone else. (I couldn’t see my own listens, so I couldn’t try using it for rec’ing my own ) 4. clicking on the artist name switches the play to artist radiostation

3 thoughts on “The State of Digital Music: The Rdio Conversations”

  1. Great post and comments!

    Right. So… Is Rdio the Future of Music?

    The problem with these sorts of “x is the future of y” discussions, particularly where technology is concerned, is that x always changes the nature of y. Because of this, you can never quite arrive at point y.

    I see Rdio and it’s ilk bumping into a few issues shortly that run along these lines:

    1) The closer these services get to delivering on the promise of offering “almost everything” in the world of music, the more they will underscore what isn’t offered. Put another way, how much music needs to be available to make up for the fact that what you want to hear right now isn’t?

    2) Part of the appeal of these services lies in the social aspect, which presently is built on the enthusiasm of early adopters and music nerds. The tone and quality of the social interaction will change as more users sign on. Will Rdio still be compelling?

    3) Rdio is presently a novel way of trying to monetize music in a time where monetizing music is difficult. It’s an experiment that is occurring concurrently with other experiments at trying to resuscitate the monetization of music. A verdict will be reached. Recent high profile releases by Coldplay, Black Keys, Tom Waits — to name a few — are not present on Rdio. Presumably this is because posting on streaming services is viewed as possibly undermining the success of other channels, both experimental and traditional. Is this the start of a verdict being reached? Will this assessment be shared by others?

    Just a few thoughts.

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